1. This is the kind of interview that could have been 4 hours and ranged from everything from ethics to REM to “virtue signaling” and Bob Dylan. David Zahl is the founder of Mockingbird Ministries which does some of the kind of stuff we like to do here at Virtue in the Wasteland, in fact, we like to think of them as our more distinguished East Coast colleagues
  2. On this episode we wrap up season 1 with the Rev. Sarah Condon who is coming to us from Houston (right after Hurricane Harvey in 2017) by way of the American South. Condon talks about some dark times, a hopeful doctrine, and has plenty of stories to illustrate this last doctrine of the Creed. Debi and Dan spend a little bit of time in this episode reflecting on the first season of the show.