This is an excerpt from “Encouragement for Motherhood, Devotional Writings on the Work of Christ” edited by Katie Koplin (1517 Publishing, 2024) available for purchase today.

Gretchen and Katie are back at recording and they talk about where they've been, and what they learned.

Joy isn't getting what you want when you want it. We can't produce joy, but we can produce pleasure, but we often get those two things confused.