In this episode, Debi talks to Jason in New Jersey—a man who grew up with some kind of faith, seemed to lose whatever he had, and now has questions as to whether any of it is with it at all. After talking to Jason, Debi talks with Pastor Bruce Hillman, also from New Jersey, about Jason's plight. Pastor Hillman is an exceptionally well-read and fun conversation, and he and Debi discuss reasons for leaving, for doubting, but ultimately resting in Christ Alone.