On today's episode, Kelsi chats with friends, Gretchen Ronnevik and Katie Koplin from the Freely Given Podcast, about the Advent season and how a fuller expansion into the three different arrivals or comings of Jesus changes how we understand and celebrate Advent.

Gretchen Ronnevik is the author of Ragged: Spiritual Disciplines for the Spiritually Exhausted and co-host of the podcast, Freely Given. She joins Kelsi to talk about research for her new book on the patience of God. Gretchen talks about God's steadfastness amplifies his grace and goodness, and makes it possible for us to ask tough - even wrong - questions.