In this complexity of mental health and spiritual health, it's easy to put blanket shame over emotions that we are walking through.

Gretchen and Katie talk about how they process through emotions that they sometimes struggle with, and that they hate, and learning how grace brings you through to the other side.

*There was an editing glitch in this episode, and you'll miss the first couple of seconds including the intro, and Katie quickly chatting about seeing the new Top Gun movie.

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